Like the title says: How do you DNF your second qualifier and still drive in the A Main??? My club runs 2 quals. and a main. This hack DNF'd the second main and still drove in the A! So do I need to say this hack "beat me" because I was in the B Main??? WTF??? Does he get to keep his first time as his average and not get a penalty for nose diving his truck into oblivion? Is this common practice at RC tracks?

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If they aren't using qual points then they use rocket round for the quals. That means your best heat/time is what they use for the starting grid.

Qual points are rarely used unless it is a really big race and normaly only with 3 or more rounds of qual heats. Other wise the standard is rocket round witch every track goes by.


On a side note yes that so called "hack" is faster then you so that means you were beat by him. In order to beat him you just have to step up your game to get faster. Also because this is racing not every one drives clean so you just need to learn how to act around others and what to do when they are behind you or in front of you (just pushing you out of the racing line isn't hacking, but spinning out or flat out crashing everyone is hacking).

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They were averaging both laps to seat the main. I beat him in the 1st qualifier and he DNF'd the second. How does that work? Was my average slower than his first qual.? There were only four of us in the heats so it's not like it was a packed field and I'm mistaken.
"Just pushing you out of the racing line isn't hacking, but spinning out or flat out crashing everyone is hacking".
I think I see the difference. So just cause he guns the trigger and plows through everyone causing others to spin out and crash, especially around turns, he's not necessarily a hack?

I said the later was hacing, the first part was more of agressive racing and I should of added that it is only done to get lappers out of the way after being behind them for about a lap or two (after being told to let the leader go by if they are not in a heated battle). So my bad on that bit (yes that is in a way hacking, but at the same time it seems to be accepted as ok as as you give them a little time).


As for the scoring, it sounds as if the computer might have missed a lap and it should have been brought up. It can be a issue at times, and normaly is easy to tell when looking at your lap times. This sounds like the case if you are sure you beat him in the 1st and 2nd heat.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe your track uses the fastest lap to set the mains, although I don't see why they would

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I did hear a lot of cursing coming from the announcer's area directed at the computer and the printer did crap out half-way through the day so maybe there was something going on there.
Missing a lap is another possibility. We don't have a transponder system. It's just some guy hitting a button when you pass the booth.

So does "hacking", by definition, have to be intentional or can it just be someone with a heavy trigger finger who doesn't know how to drive screwing everyone up, cause that's what he was. Certainly it wasn't intentional. In fact, he's a really nice guy.
I'm kinda new to "real" racing so I want to know what I'm talking about before I shoot my mouth off. That's why I didn't say anything at the track. I thought I could just be mistaken and I'd look like an ass for asking.

Thanks for your input Pyro!

PS- I do know to get out of the way for the leader. No sense in going bumper to bumper with someone who's a lap up on you anyway.

That might be the case then, and if the same thing comes up then talk with all of the drivers in that heat and who ever is in charge to get the results right (in most cases when there is small numbers in a heat the drivers will know who is running where (although when you get ~10 guy's per heat it gets quite hard)).

Yes it is hacking, but no it really isn't. In this case I only say it isn't as it sounds like he needs more pratice. But at the end of the day yes it is hacking but in his case it would be a mild case of it. So I wouldn't quite call him a hack even though he really is, but instead I would say he needs to back off the throttle or use less motor. I say work with him as much as you can on a pratice day or even race days to help him understand what to do and when.

A hack doesn't have to be a bad person, as some times their driving skills just arn't up to par to drive with others on the track, but with some friendly coaching his skills will improve and he shouldn't crash people. So not all hacks are bad, although most people think of hacks as rude drivers (in most cases they are, but in others it is just that they need work on how to drive their car better).

A good pratice drill is to stay as close behind him and maybe make attempts to pass with out passing for training how to hold his line (not slam the door as that is only done durring a main for a finnishing spot is a diff. story). Then have him do the same thing with your car as the lead car, and that will again help with holding the line and knowing when to back off. Make a point that crashing in any way is a bad thing.

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if he dnf'd why didn't you beat him in the main, do you not run bump ups?

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